(Notes autocrítiques esparses, Sabadell, 30 - August -09) Joan Tafalla
Friday, August 28, 2009
Pea Sized Lump Under Chin And Sore Throat
Josep Traverso
comentario-reviews to: MT Cicero,
Del Bien y del Supremo Supremo Mal, 2002, 1st reprint, Editorial Gredos, Biblioteca Clásica, Madrid. (JT note: even though the character Joe Traverso insiste interim notas yet, the public. The course is acumulan START tareas y las ...)
Writing.
2 .- Cicero will develop in the second book in a powerful theory about morality and virtue to a social impression, public is not in any way or Marcus Aurelius in Epictetus.
" Yourself, Cicero Torcuato-tops that are next to the consulate, when asked about the purposes to guide your insurance mandate will not say "you in the exercise of the judiciary and your life will work only for your own benefit, [the contrary] the words of the Peripatetic and the Stoics do not you fall off the face in court and Senate: duty, fairness, dignity, loyalty, righteousness, morality, actions worthy of the boss, worthy of the Roman people, face any danger the republic, to die for the fatherland, when you say these words, we, fools, we were astonished, as you undoubtedly are you laughing on the inside. Because among these so wonderful and great words there is no place for pleasure, not just the one you call pleasure in movement and that all men of the city and everyone in the field, all in short, when they speak Latin, call pleasure But even for that other stable, that nobody but you, [no pain] called pleasure. "(II, 23, 76/77) 3 .- In the critical school skeptical, to Pyrrho and Aristo, Cicero says that they, "to make all consist only of virtue, so far as to strip it of any possibility of choice between things and not give it a base from which arise or in which is supported, destroyed the very virtue that embraced "(II, 43) This is already one of the main criticisms launched Cicero stoicism, virtue lock in a bubble and isolate it from real life, think that man is pure soul and not a composite of soul and body. (Surely Cicero is attacking a key issue in Stoicism, one that prevents him from becoming a social moral)
The source of the disputed sociability of mankind is nature that has made us as we are social beings, "The same reason the man did get the men and induced him to settle with them in character, language and customs, so that starting from the love of family and yours, is becoming more widespread and joins in partnership first with his fellow citizens, then all mortals and, as Plato wrote to Archytas, remember that it was born to him only, but for the country and yours, so it's very little of which he is. "(125)
4 .- TEXT:
"We understand that what is moral, irrespective of any utility, regardless of awards or benefits, may be justly praised for himself. What is the nature of this can be explained not by the definition just given, though it helps a lot, and by the common view of all and by the inclinations and actions of the best men, they do many things only because they are decent, because they are straight, because they are moral, although they know they will not get any advantage. "(II, 45) a whim. I particularly like this text and would require special comment. He has criticized the philosophies that do not pay attention to definitions, logical partitions and other issues. Proposes a definition, then warns the reader about the possibilities of understanding the subject for a definition, "although it helps a lot," but what is central in "the common view of all" and the actions of men better " . Everyday life? Social life, land of philosophy? Here you decide the ultimate good?
5 .- You can not doubt that in Cicero morality has action, which is in political life, and in the remainder of personal life, where is the ground of morality. It's nature is our nature.
6 .-
There is an issue that is somehow present from the earliest stoicism, a refusal to half measures in terms of virtue or it is virtuous or not is, it's who has one virtue has them all because in the wisdom of the wise is a new position that does not support the compromise. This topic should make it difficult work with the disciples because it seems to exclude the student's progressive path toward a virtuous life and certainly the issue was attenuated along the Stoic discourse. Appearance strongly criticized by Cicero.
7 .- With the Stoics, especially the first, appeared an important question of language: the creation of new words. Should be very innovative because it drew attention and even centuries later commented. Cicero speaks of the problems that may create a language "new" as Latin, create new terms and accept and use some of those from the Greek, especially those that have become popular for use. Why was this inflation of new terms in ancient Stoicism? So innovative was its proposal that required all new terminology in this regard? Cicero seems to accuse them of camouflage behind the new words the old ideas.
Cicero seems to understand its role in the collection of a tradition and the discharge to a new society with the problems that seem to carry, including issues of language.
8 .- There is a "natural morality" that is installed inside the sage, "the god within" which he acknowledged by his intelligence and thus
This task was born in Greece, the polis and continued in these philosophies that appeared when the cops had already been destroyed, and in the binomial individual self-creation and social self-constitution, the second element was profoundly changed, the Stoics, for example, seems they opened a road that led from the individual to mankind. here may also pull up the contradictions of Stoicism, that shift to the interior which will be installed in the body of philosophical over the centuries, that "nothing external can affect you"
taken to the extreme with the statement destroys your body but your soul can not touch, shall remain in happiness.
10 .- The criticism of Stoicism is developed throughout the book IV. The first point of conflict
Your input be poor or nonexistent, "Now this is the dialectic and knowledge of nature as the supreme good, as I said, then try and spend all our discussion to develop this theme. However, in these two parts of philosophy had nothing to wish strongly Zeno change, all was well established as a part as another. "(IV, 4.8) The second fundamental question is not so much on the centrality of virtue and life according to nature but in the encapsulation of virtue itself that produced the Stoics, their isolation from the issues of body, as if virtue itself enough outside self, as if human beings have a soul and not only was a complex soul and body, "Well, is universally accepted that all the duty and function of wisdom consists of perfect man, one (so do not think that I speak only against the Stoics) argue theories that put the highest good in the category of what is beyond our reach, as if he were some inanimate, others, however, as if the man had no body, only care about the soul despite the very soul or is a something inconsistent (for this I can not understand), but was included in some kind of body, so that even she is satisfied with virtue alone, but seeks no pain. "(IV, 14.36)
interesting text that speaks of stratification the human being, an idea in mind, for example, Lukacs or
Hartmann ...
11 .- The live according to nature is an achievement that makes the human being through wisdom but has an intuitive basis and vital, are the principles that Mother Nature puts in us when we are born, the path of wisdom and happiness would go from this vital principle, species into an awareness of who we are, "In First, recognize that nature has instilled the love of ourselves and that the first wish has put in us is our own conservation. On this we of agreement, coming after becoming aware of who we are, so we can keep ourselves as we should be. "(IV, 10, 25)
12 .- It seems that we can say as a feature already present in ancient Stoicism that no man is a slave by nature. "But everything we have been talking moral nothing is so glorious and which extends more broadly than the union of men with men, the kind of society and community of interest and that love of mankind that originated at the time birth, as parents love their children and the whole family is united by the bonds of marriage and the lineage, is spread abroad, first by kinship, then affinities, then by friends, later by neighborly relations, and subsequently by citizens and those of friends and political allies, and, finally, by the union of all mankind. "(V, 23, 65)
13 .- Joaquín Miranda says that this book of Cicero was used by French students as a textbook on stoicism, no wonder, Cicero's knowledge about it seem very broad, and not just the stoicism, but in the philosophical tradition inherited from Greece, the Stoics, but also peripatetic, platonic, skeptical ... a large river of thoughts, philosophies, which is central to the debate on the highest good. And that trend appears to us particularly lively, the differences are real and not invented, the match also, one and the other having to do with the ways of life, with the highest good, to virtue and happiness. And includes an entire effort to give meaning to human life, social life, a mighty effort by self-constituted in itself a tradition.
14 .- Books like this require us to fundamentally review the way we approach the know, if we focus "excessively" in the mind of an author we can lose sight of underground stream running through it, and "know" a lot but do not understand anything.
15 .- There is, I think, in the Stoics and Cicero, something I call a genetic theory of virtue, ie the transformation of that kind of conatus with we are born until a streamlined acceptance and achievement of virtue as adults. The
culminates when, as adults, we realize our nature and our plan adjusted to her life, "not without cause in children see that kind of spark of virtue to which I referred, to be lit with the reason of the philosopher, to follow, as a divine guidance, reach the ultimate goal of nature. [...] Have to penetrate, therefore, knowledge of nature and thoroughly examine what she calls, otherwise we can not know ourselves. [...] Now, get to know ourselves is to know the powers of our body and our soul, and keep that kind of life that's full enjoyment of these powers. "(V, 15, 41 - 16, 44).
Blood Drops Before Mensus
July 29, 2009
Dear Pep:
I'm reading a book, you'll probably be interested , The Philosophy of German idealism, of Nicolai Hartmann.
The first volume: The followers of Kant, decomposition or misinterpretation of Kant, then, Fichte, Schelling then, after the Romantics - Holderlin, Novalis ... just in Schlaiermacher-The second volume is Hegel P -500. Says that the logic of Hegel is an ontology. The book is translated or, in Ed South America and is on university faculties. I recommended it for years, many, Manuel Ballestero, Marxist Hegelian, knowingly. It has helped me already, I'm going to Hegel, in the second vol-to know which parts of Fichte and Schelling are the genesis of our praxeology.
In Schelling's transcendental idealism Your System (1801), not its philosophy of nature, later. Fichte his Doctrine of Science in 1794 and making their introductions to it in 1797 (found in book set), not its absolute metaphysical theological later edited with the same title as a rewriting of the text, etc. Castilian Certainly in the current translation of Fichte is not what interests us, Akal has resulted in the reworking of 1811, theological. Yes there is an issue of Aguilar 1975 which is the 1794, but I have not caught ...
July 29, 2009,
These days I have "spoken" frequently with Joan on the subject of late Stoicism do not know if I put a little shrimp as there was a kind of Florence Gauthier response to it without missing him right in what he posed.
therefore I have read lately, Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius. Now I come in Cicero.
Joan told me that he had given the de finibus (is this the Latin name?) And it makes a difference, has raised the level in the first book I'm impressed by the prose Cicero .
August 21, 2009
Dear Pep:
Until I'm back from vacation I could not read your message. I've been in a place where no internet and not even no possibility of talking on mobile phone. As Hartmann makes the book, I have photocopies of the two volumes and I can go when you those come around. In person or through Joan.
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Another item: liquid-like all true Aristotelian-contractarian weaknesses. The state is not a result of a previous individual wills from its prior capabilities that are alienated and access to representation. The state computer society and the rest of the objectification of the material culture of which it forms part, is that in the historical distribution is through material redistribution order, the rights and freedoms which establishes specific, skills and abilities of each individual, the degree of power and sovereignty, "the ethical history of each individual subject, which society does not pre-exist and are genetically produced by the existing social order, by the prevailing social relations that the state statue. For all this, is very close to Aristotle, again, ideas p. e.de
I do not know if you plan to work in this regard. I'm going to read now after finishing with a short text Fichte's Introduction to the theory of science (1934, is located on AbeBooks (trad Gaos) which is his explanation for beginners of his theories, 1794), Lukacs's book, then, before continuing with Chapter 6 of Phenomenology of esp, I re-read the prologue and the cpa 5. you see, we are delivering the program strictly on Marxism Lenin French political thought, German philosophical idealism. In addition to the extent it is possible to route absorbing everything that they could not absorb, our understanding of the RF is better, etc. After that I hope to go and Gramsci and Vygotsky, another Marxist Hegel, the ZPD is a conclusion the objective spirit.
On what I read of Hartmann wrote a text of 20 folios being in Cantabria, to fulfill the promises made to Salvador, but I was able to delete it without realizing it, almost like my table. Back to text Hartmann. Despite what I have identified as critical Quete think it is a very useful book and not waste time reading it. About the book of Cicero, the title is usually in Castilian of the supreme good and supreme evil-Gredos, eg. It is the opinion of Cicero on philosophy. As you know he studied in Athens. The summary makes the stoicism and puts into the mouth of Cato are dialogues style Plato is the text used by the French in their pre-university students to learn the Stoic ideas. I do not know where you read through this summary of Stoicism could know things would not have known. the book is easy to read and very interesting. I send copy to Joan. A hug
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